Avenue-X Gives Provider Information to News Channel 3--Response to LisaRivera

It's a good thing that you're not raising an elephant . . . it'd starve.

  "Pothos, Whether Red jumped in or not, a lot of the things that were said shouldn't have been stated especially on an open board" -- LisaRivera

The point isn't about someone stopping all of these people from saying the things that they said. Neither Aimee nor Leetah are complaining about saying things they "wished" they "didn't" say.

They never denied that they were responsible for what they said. That's beside the point.

Aimee and Leetah made a point. Someone sat on information that could've prevented the flames dead in their tracks.

Someone appeared to violate the picture rules, and a flame erupted. One of the moderators gave this person permission to post that shot. The others didn't know that. Red is the moderator that did this.

Red could've come out and ended the flame before it began. She said this instead:

"I know things are crazy right now, but I sure do like it when you speak your mind." - Red to Aimee when this fiasco started

Had she volunteered the information early on, this would've happened:

"If you would have come in and said that you allowed it then I would have come in and said an apology, would have said "my bad." Cause I have always told Joey I love her tats and body~ But when what I thought were rules broken...then that's why I said what I did." - Leetah

  "...Maybe at the time Red didn't think that it was going to go as far as it did..." -- LisaRivera

Red fanned the flames, so your "didn't think" theory goes out the window:

"I know things are crazy right now, but I sure do like it when you speak your mind." - Red to Aimee when this fiasco started

"I authorized the pic. I didn't deem it graphic enough to remove." - Red to Pothos around the time Aimee was shown the door.

Joey's errant picture connects those two sentences.

Common now, she had this information before the flame started. She encouraged Aimee in this argument. She knew that she authorized the pic that's central to this flame.

Joey said, "Look, a mod authorized me." Aimee, Leetah et al argued that this was against the rules.

Let's say that you were a moderator. Wouldn't you jump in and say, "Look, I authorized the pic?" Based on Leetah's statement, it would've stopped right there.

  "Hell, Betty locked the damn post and guess what happens, Aimee starts another threat...." -- LisaRivera

First, don't . . . you . . . think that Red could've volunteered that information RIIIGGHHHHT . . . ABOOOUUUUT . . . HERE?

Don't you think that when another thread gets started, along similar lines, that it's getting out of hand already?

  "I know Aimee is your ATF which you have reminded us on my occasions," -- LisaRivera

Yup, Aimee is my ATF.  Aimee and Leetah are my doubles ATF.

   "...but I hope you are not supporting her threats and clearly her paranoid behavior...." -- LisaRivera

This coming from the person that comes out of the woodworks to support Red when she didn't have anything substantial to add:

"Get a life outside of being stuck up the MODS ass"   -PopularDemand to LisaRivera

As you were saying?

First, the nature of your posts makes you come across as jumping the bandwagon just to defend Red. I highly recommend that you think about that before implying that I'm just here to defend my ATF - "no matter what"

Second,

"I will be at the mixer tomorrow with actual booklets of the entire transcript of everything, including my correspondence to you. I have nothing to hide." - Aimee.

Unless you've seen what she's got, I wouldn't recommend dismissing her statements as "threats" and "paranoia."

In fact, the only "threat" she made was her indicating that if Red continued to ignore her, she'd bring this out to the open.

Aimee has the facts on her side, and I'll stand by the facts. I'm not "blindly" supporting her simply because of who she is.

In fact, if she were still posting here, she'd tell you that I've played devils advocate.

"Remember that old saying 'loose lips sink ships.'" -- LisaRivera

Those who know that statement's history would know that it doesn't apply. It would apply somewhere else though. Like, when a provider passes screening and enters the VIP forum. This is a lady that rooms with Ellie and a lawyer. This is a lady that implied that those that got into her way were taken out of the picture.

I do applaud your following up on what Aimee said. Thanks for pushing that topic after Aimee first brought that up.

"No one is responsible for the things that other people say..." -- LisaRivera

I agree, like I said before, the moderators don't control what Aimee or any other poster says. I've made it clear that people are responsible for what they say. That's not Aimee and Leetah's point with their argument.

Remember, this would've never gone far if Red volunteered her information in the beginning. That's the elephant in the room that's constantly being ignored.

"But if you are going to be fair," -- LisaRivera

I AM being fair. Again, ask Aimee and she'll tell you that I've played devils advocate with her. She's standing her ground and she's got the facts to back her argument.

I don't see you as being fair in this, and I'm not the only one that sees this:

"This is not to take sides on any issues at all, but I'm wondering how many are tired of Lisa Rivera co signing to everything the MODS say as correct." -PopularDemand to LisaRivera

"why don't you interpret her entire PM and explain to us again why you feel that she is warrnete in her off the wall threats and behavior..." -- LisaRivera

You want an explanation behind that PM? Aimee provided that explanation via a couple private messages. She's OK with Red posting those other two PMs - unedited.

Considering this information:

"We can tell why you support everything Red says because she is the main reason why you had business at her compound doing doubles." -PopularDemand to LisaRivera

And this:

"I understand you want to be her right hand and move up to being a MOD." -PopularDemand to LisaRivera

I'd say you're in a better position to ask Red to post those two PMs, unedited. So, let the community see why Aimee did what she did. Those two PMs have juicy details and they answer your questions.

I'm basing my statements on two things: What's on this thread and what Aimee has. Aimee and Leetah have a point. Their opposition has several strawmen.

I'd post them. Aimee; however, wants Red to post them instead.

"Are you helping her mailed her infomrationtion oversees..." -- LisaRivera

That serves me right for thinking that everybody understands the concept behind emails.

No. I'm not helping her mail information overseas. Unlike you, she understands that you don't need postage stamps on emails. She also understands that you could send emails to multiple recipients.

"I thought you might help out with the postate" -- LisaRivera

My Internet provider doesn't charge me postage for sending E -mail. Aimee did say that she E-mailed this stuff. 

"since Red is the reason she hasn't been able to make any money...Go figure that one...Simply priceless, even for you Pothos" -- LisaRivera

You know what I consider as priceless? Someone, high school - possibly college - graduate, could interpret "affect my business" with "not making any money."

You know, like instead of gaining three new clients, one only gained one client. A business could be affected that way. 

Sending correspondence overseas without having to pay postage? Now that's priceless!

You should switch to an Internet provider that doesn't charge postage for emails.

"It is a shame you want everyone to respect your opinion but criticism to your comments are unwarranted. Your character will comprise your failure." -PopularDemand to LisaRivera

From talking to you before, I'd say that this is a very accurate statement.

Avenue-X Gives Provider Information to News Channel 3--Response to Red

Jack Oat made a valid point.

"Jack, that really is one of the most pathetic posts you have ever made.  Aimee & Leetah don't mean shit to me" --Red

Red, if Aimee and Leetah don't mean shit to you, you would've ignored this thread. Your response to Jack was almost one Microsoft Word page long.

 "they acted a fuckin' fool and got banned." --Red

"First off, I did allow the pic to stand and I don't owe anyone an explanation for shit." - Red

That information could've spared this whole fiasco. You didn't volunteer that information until the time you showed Aimee the door.

You said this in the beginning of the flame:

"I know things are crazy right now, but I sure do like it when you speak your mind." -Red

Both Aimee and Leetah called you out for letting this happen. You made that above statement at the flame war's beginning.

You banned them instead of dealing with their catching you red handed. It looks like "acting a fool" means not bowing to your control.

"Don't come around here with your conspiracy theories fed to you by your lil' friends." - Red

Jack made a very reasonable post. I've came to the same conclusions based on the information that I've looked at. I'll give you a number you could call later in this post.

"If you are insinuating that Red had anything to do with this you are very wrong.  You are much MUCH smarter than this." --Red

Well, you banned Aimee and Leetah. The news people say that they got cooperation from this site, and whose picture ends up as the backdrop?

Answer, Aimee.

Whose website gets exposed?

Answer, Leetah.

A person would have to dig deeper than normal to get to Aimee's picture. They'd have to dig deep to get to Leetah's website. Other provider websites jump at you as soon as you enter certain pages of this site.

"Don't be made because your lil' friend Leetah got the boot -- just follow her." --Red

It's the reason behind her getting the boot that makes him - and any sensible person that's seen the exchange between you two - mad . . . MAD . . . MAAAD!

Also, I do recommend that you don't call Aimee or Leetah "lil." That gives away what you're trying to hide.

"When someone gets so out of control that they become a problem, I ignore them.  Its really that simple." --Red

So, "out of control", translates to "not controllable."  You have that need for control.

And what were you trying to control? You wanted to control people calling you out for your games. Aimee was right. The only recourse you had was to do something you couldn't envision yourself doing.

Humble yourself.

"And its killing your girl Aimee that I won't speak to her." --Red

You not speaking to her isn't what's "killing" Aimee.

Aimee persisted with her questions to you, despite your attempts to ignore her. That got under your skin. You ignored Aimee hoping that she'd give up, drop the topic and move on.

What's "killing" Aimee is the difference between your stories and what's actually going on.

You know what's worse than that? You're trashing two banned women... women that can't log on to defend themselves.

"Those that have the ability to rationalize and use logic can see that maybe just MAYBE news channel 3 decided to do a story about online prostitution, typed in a few search terms and *bing* that search returned all sorts of links to Avenue-X.  It's really not a difficult concept to grasp. You can see that too, but you'd rather instigate and rev up the rumor mill." --Red

I agree, this could've been one of the possibilities. Let's take that logic and extend it. They do a search and land on Avenue X. Bam, there's the disclaimer page.

They read through the disclaimer, then click, "Yes, I agree." What's the first picture they see?

They see a picture showing your BUTT sticking in the air.

But since we're talking about Virginia, let's click on the Virginia link.

BAAM, once again, we see your banner with your BUTT sticking in the air.

Then we see Kira, Dyvine Dates, Private Pleasures, Caroline and Jane, Chelsea, cherry, Classy lady here for you, Gia D'angelo, Heather4U, and Joey DiStefano.

Hmm,

Your BUTT shows up twice, did one of your pictures show up on the news? How many of the girls listed above received as much airtime as Aimee's picture did?

I mean, for a news backdrop, it would've made more sense to use something from one of the girls, or from your website.

Now, let's go to escort listing

What the! It's your BUTT again!

Reviews... Ok, we've got more options, but your BUTT is there again.

I'm seeing your butt more than once, and not just because I have a fetish for that.  Even a foot fetish enthusiast - who doesn't care about face sitting - would spot your BUTT as soon as they hit a page.  Your banner really sticks out... kind of like someone's butt sticking out for all to see.

So far, I haven't seen anything on Aimee. NONE. Nothing about Leetah either.

Now, considering that they've been banned, I wouldn't expect to see their pictures there - right now. But I've checked these same pages before and didn't see their names listed - until I got to the "most rated".

What does this all mean? In order to get to Aimee's pictures, one would really have to dig for her information. And they'd have to have more patience than what a normal surfer would have.

I don't recall digging that deep into a message board when I'm just casually surfing.

If I were someone trying to come up with a news item, I'd have everything I needed in the first pages. It would've made more sense to use one of the first pictures. They could've aired another picture as the background picture.

Mathematically speaking, your picture should've improved your chances for selection. They wouldn't have found Aimee's huge picture for display on their news segment.

Each page, with your banner, increased your selection chances for the news segment.

Mathematically speaking, Aimee and Leetah should've had the least chances of for selection.

The average surfer would move on before getting to Aimee or Leetah's pictures.

How did the segment display Aimee's picture for the background? How did the segment feature Leetah's website? Their information was buried. Why didn't the obvious ladies get selected for the segment?

The answer to that is that this was an inside job.

The two women were mathematically unlikely to be selected for air time. This happened on the heels of a heated exchange. We had Red on one side, Aimee and Leetah on another side.

Aimee and Leetah called you out. Aimee and Leetah got air time on a news segment shortly afterwards.

Jack Oat was right. Avenue-X cooperated with News channel 3. I'll give you the number to the people that said they received cooperation from Avenue X.

I wouldn't recommend trying to change their minds. Aimee's lawyer has already spoken to them.

"You would me mighty embarrassed if you knew the real story and saw any of the behind the scenes bs with your girlfriends." --Red

Behind the scenes bs, like this?

"I know things are crazy right now, but I sure do like it when you speak your mind." -Red

That's you when the flame got started. Here's you when Aimee found out that you knew this information when you made that first statement:

"First off, I did allow the pic to stand and I don't owe anyone an explanation for shit." - Red

The real story is that you wanted this to happen. Your first sentence speaks volumes. Your second sentence adds to that.

"Since Red has so much power and control over what is displayed by the media..." --Red

Avenue-X cooperated with the segment. You're the owner - or one of the owners - of Avenue-X. You have a lot of power over which Avenue-X information is handed over to the news.

If you, or anybody on your staff, didn't cooperate with the news, this is still an inside job. This would mean that you guys have wolves in sheep clothing here... they'd have to be members of your staff.

Who'd have a motive? Well, the very people that Aimee and Leetah argued against.

[quote]Originally posted by Red

Inquiries of the station show that there was cooperation with the website--

What inquiries Jack? Who said there was cooperation?  I want names/dates and contact information.  Oh wait . . . I know the answer to that one . . . Aimee.  [/quote]

Call News Channel 3 and ask to speak to the Director of the Legal Dept. According to him, Avenue-X cooperated with the segment. Here's the phone number so that you could verify this yourself: [BEEP]

"The exact same person who threatened to give LE "information on every man and woman on Avenue-X if you don't do what I say and like it" (Aimee's quote NOT MINE)." -- Red

Oh really? Where's her post saying that? Would you be able to post images of that post here, unedited, for everybody to see?

I've seen what Aimee has. The posts that she has from you match her "in" and "sent" boxes.

Your statement doesn't sound like Aimee. I've pissed her off a few times; she never threatened me that way.

There's one confirmed case of someone threatening others with Ellie. That's "Ebony Lace 007." Aimee and Leetah found out that she roomed with a cop and a lawyer. She passed screening and made it to the ladies board. She still had access to that board after Aimee and Leetah confirmed her ties to LE.

What's this "threat" that you're talking about? Aimee told you that she'd call you out on the board if you didn't answer her. She didn't come anywhere close to threatening anybody else with Ellie.

Red:  See how easy it is to play that little game?

What game are you talking about? Putting words in Aimee's mouth? Taking Aimee and Leetah out of context? That seems to be a common tactic on these message boards when people don't have a real argument.

"Isn't Aimee also the very same person that showed up at the mixer with a notebook and pen?" -- Red

People that hung out with Aimee saw more than that. Aimee's notebook contained your words. Your post mixer actions are suspect, you "cooked the books" with these threads. That's not a normal action by someone that saw a "notebook and pen."

Red:  While I personally don't believe ANYONE currently or formerly associated with X assisted in the making of this wonderful waste of air time, we can all play the blame game.

If someone calls News Channel 3, would the Director of the Legal Dept say the same thing?

According to their director, Avenue X cooperated with the segment.  Here's the phone number in case you or anybody else could verify this: [BEEP]

"The difference is I have emails and PMs and all sorts of written communication from Aimee making wild threats against everyone here which have been kept off the board for what should be obvious reasons." - Red

Aimee has saved E-mails and PMs between the two of you. I've seen what Aimee saved, I haven't seen what you've saved.

Here's what we have. We have your comments that you have them. We have your comments of what they said. I don't believe that Aimee's correspondence say what you claim they say.

You don't have this alleged threat, that's why you didn't post them here. Why would Aimee challenge you to post her private messages unedited?

Why don't you save those images and post them here? Just post them in their original form, don't edit them or photo shop them. Don't change it from what Aimee sent you. Aimee has no problems with you doing this. You've set this board up so that only members can view what's being read. So what's the worry?

If you saw what Aimee brought to the mixer, you'd see copies of her private messages. You'd see that her private messages didn't threat like you claimed they did.

"I'd most certainly want my name in the credits and at the very least one of those "behind the screen" interviews if I were involved." -- Red

You had that opportunity. According to the Director of the Legal Department, Avenue X cooperated with the segment. Either you or your representative could've arranged that partly as a result of your cooperation.

Here's the number again for anybody that wants to verify this:  [BEEP]

I don't believe that you would've wanted a behind the scenes interview. Not with what Avenue-X is about.

"Carry on, I'm off for the weekend.  Chris Hansen called and he's doing an investigation on all the NASA, NIH, and low ranking federal employees involved in the DC Madam scandal and they need my assistance :)" -- Red

*Turns fan on to blow the smoke away and to improve visibility *

"Oh, and btw, Leetah (I know you are reading this because you have created several new usernames), make sure Aimee sends you copies of the emails/PMs she is sending out under various names since she's got your business all up in there and is making you look like a straight up idiot." -- Red

I hear the public broadcast alert system. Oh wait, here's the announcement... "We've got a serious load of bullshit coming your way, take cover immediately!"

Oh baloney!

The moment you guys find their alternative usernames, you ban them again. Then, you delete their clone user accounts.

Second, Aimee's main argument focus points are you and your cadre. She'd use her alternative accounts to argue against you. She wouldn't waste them on her ally. I know Aimee, she wouldn't hesitate to jump back on here and argue against your claims.

Third, she's had/has nothing but praise for Leetah. She wouldn't put her neck on the line, and get banned, for someone that she was trashing.

I've had both of them in a double's session. I could tell by the way they interacted with each other, and me, that they're very close.

Avenue-X Gives Provider Information to News Channel 3--Response to Biggie Lover

Jack, I know for sure you are not that stupid to even believe a hint of what you posted.  So you obviously have another agenda.  Trust me, you WON'T get free sessions out of this." - Biggie Lover

WOW! That rebuttal definitely "blew" Jack Oat's argument away. NOT.

You call that a rebuttal? Jack Oat made a legitimate statement. He backed his statements with a logical argument. He based that logical argument on facts.

What do you do in response?  "Uh, you're stupid; you can't believe what you said!"

Here's a better question. Do you honest to God believe what you're saying?

Perhaps you were the Avenue-X person that cooperated for the segment. Perhaps you might be one of the people that knew about this, but kept others in the dark.

Let's say you didn't have anything to do with the news segment. I don't believe that the others kept you in the dark about this.

I don't believe for a second that the moderators "don't" have the ability to read our PMs: 

"Oh, and btw, Leetah (I know you are reading this because you have created several new usernames), make sure Aimee sends you copies of the emails/PMs she is sending out under various names since she's got your business all up in there and is making you look like a straight up idiot." - Red

Here's another question that you should ask. How's Red able to know what people do with regards to their emails?

Jack Oat isn't crazy for making his remarks. 

Aimee and Leetah were mathematically eliminated from consideration even before their banning. The first pages didn't show them. Leetah removed her links and profile before she got banned.

You had to spend plenty of time digging through this site to get Aimee's and Leetah's information. This person would've needed more patience than the average surfer.

The first three pages contained eye catching banners. They had a greater chance for selection and viewing than Aimee and Leetah's information.

Mathematically, Red had better chances of catching an internet surfer than anybody here. She has an eye catching banner. It's like she's telling the world to kiss her ass.

No ifs, ands, or BUTS about it.

It doesn't help that Avenue-X' cadre showed cavalier attitudes toward the security breech here. Giving a weak cop out comment, about Ellie already being on this board, didn't help either. This wasn't a logical argument, but an attempt to fuse hobbying Ellie with the provider that roomed with Ellie.

Again, logical arguments back Jack Oat's arguments. I did that here; I have the facts to back my argument.

Aimee's lawyer successfully gets that video pulled from the site, with a promise that they won't air her pictures again.