I was looking through Twitter reading the comments on the "wall." I came across a post by BellaVendetta talking about "them days." BellaVendetta looks really young, so I got a chuckle out of reading a comment that she made about "them days" and the "old school."
BellaVendetta: Whoa. Remember them days? Old skool #ROP sticker where it all began 13 yrs ago... #ROPwesternma... <snip>
I didn't see how the topic she was referencing could be "old school." Especially if one talked about something happening, or that happened, within 13 years of that post. So, I wanted to put things into perspective:
herfacechair @herfacechair Aug 30
@BellaVendetta Yup, I remember them days, when we got into a wedge formation when the centurion ordered, "Cunium Formate!" :D
That was a jab against those of us who have been around a lot longer than the person that I was addressing. The idea was that the length of time referenced made it hard to see "13 years" as being "old school."
This transaction took place in the summer of 2014. Subtract 13 years from that and you to get 2001. That year, 2001, was a first year of the 21st century.
Did she get it? Nope. The meaning of my statement, of what I was trying to communicate, went right over her head:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta Aug 30
@herfacechair umm....what!?
I had suspected, unfairly in this case, that she was a lot smarter than what she showed. So, I had to dumb things down to try to explain to her what I was trying to communicate:
herfacechair @herfacechair Aug 31
@BellaVendetta I was pointing out that 13 years ago isn't old school with the reference to a Roman infantry command for a wedge formation.
herfacechair @herfacechair Aug 31
@BellaVendetta I got a chuckle with the "13 years ago" reference. :D
Excessive pride showed with her reply:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta Sep 2
@herfacechair actually the suspension community is so new that 13 years ago IS actually a long time we're one of the world's oldest
I knew flat out that this wasn't true. I first read about the BDSM world back in the 1980s. I knew that the suspension community existed in the fetish world back then. It more than likely existed well before my time.
It was one of the ways to live out a fantasy of being in a "dungeon" and being subjected to "torture". Included in this "torture" was humiliation and exposure to pain. Think "Medieval Period" or the "Spanish Inquisition":
herfacechair @herfacechair Sep 2
@BellaVendetta I've read about suspensions back in the '80s for both BDSM and vanilla. This included group and pairs.
Common usage for a dominatrix's "play space" is called a "dungeon." What all exist in this "dungeon"? Why, many of the things that existed in more vicious forms during the Medieval Period.
They had various forms of "suspensions" that they subjected torture victims to back in those days. In the safe "play environment" of BDSM, many of these suspensions exist.
One main reason to why it wasn't widely known until relatively recently is because technology made it easier for people to do both... meet others of the same interest... and preserve their privacy while seeking out information about this activity's existence in the community.
BellaVendetta and her cohorts did not invent suspension as a BDSM or vanilla community activity. They were simply at the right place, at the right time, to help bring light to the specific fetish activity... and to actively use new technologies to bring people of this community together... and to grow and expand the community.
Others were involved with this as well. From there, it evolved in North America and elsewhere.
Was she going to recognize the fact that there was a history behind this specific fetish? Or that the community existed before her time? Nope. Her abundant pride influenced her next response:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta Sep 2
@herfacechair are you really trying to school Me about something that I live everyday? please dont the conversation is over
This was an attempt to "shut me up." Unfortunately for her, I didn't follow her idea of a dominatrix versus submissive relationship. She's a professional dominatrix. Outside of a professional session, to include coordinating to have such a session happen, I was under no obligation to behave as her submissive.
Also, the only way that she was going to get me to not reply to her anymore, or for me to be quiet, was for her to not reply to me at all. All she had to do was ignore me and not even reply to me.
Given the tone of her voice toward me in this thread, I was not going to do what she demanded. I sensed an overabundance of pride on her part. She still refused to acknowledge the point I was getting across, so I had to give her a perspective:
herfacechair @herfacechair Sep 3
@BellaVendetta As a veteran of a modern war, I welcomed knowledge from a Roman soldier reenactor. Moral of the story?
herfacechair @herfacechair Sep 3
@BellaVendetta Moral of the story? Your experience doesn't negate what I've read about the topic of your experience back in the '80s.
One point that I was getting across here is that I was willing to listen to a Soldier, who had no deployment or actual active duty time under his belt, go over the different commands and procedures that ancient Roman armies went through.
The moral of the story is that we do not know everything.
Just as a modern Soldier is going to have experience doing battle drills, these modern soldiers are not always going to have experience, and possibly have no knowledge, of the commands and procedures used by generations of military before the existence of the US military.
Likewise, a modern dominatrix would be unwise to insinuate that she invented, was one of the people/groups that invented, or knows everything there is to know, about a topic that came into existence centuries, possibly millennia, before her existence... Or that she had created, alone, or as part of a group, etc, such a community.
By then, her pride was 100% in control of her actions:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta 22h
@herfacechair moral of the story when someone tells you a conversation is over fucking drop it
Again, she was trying to "force" an action that require me to do something I had no intention of doing.
If she truly wanted this to end, she could've simply ignored me and not said anything else. If she wanted to say something, she could've simply said, "This conversation is over." She would've said that as a stand-alone statement in response to me. She would not have said anything else with it.
One simply cannot just reply and rebut somebody, then try to "preserve" the last word for themselves by demanding that the other person stop replying.
It doesn't work that way.
When it comes to debates, I follow my own rules. One of those rules is to keep replying to someone that consistently replies to me. The only way to stop me from replying to them is for them to not reply to me.
I reminded her of her responsibilities:
herfacechair @herfacechair 17m
@BellaVendetta Nobody is forcing you to respond to me. I also don't take orders from you. Be an adult and control your own fucking actions.
BellaVendetta: Whoa. Remember them days? Old skool #ROP sticker where it all began 13 yrs ago... #ROPwesternma... <snip>
I didn't see how the topic she was referencing could be "old school." Especially if one talked about something happening, or that happened, within 13 years of that post. So, I wanted to put things into perspective:
herfacechair @herfacechair Aug 30
@BellaVendetta Yup, I remember them days, when we got into a wedge formation when the centurion ordered, "Cunium Formate!" :D
That was a jab against those of us who have been around a lot longer than the person that I was addressing. The idea was that the length of time referenced made it hard to see "13 years" as being "old school."
This transaction took place in the summer of 2014. Subtract 13 years from that and you to get 2001. That year, 2001, was a first year of the 21st century.
Did she get it? Nope. The meaning of my statement, of what I was trying to communicate, went right over her head:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta Aug 30
@herfacechair umm....what!?
I had suspected, unfairly in this case, that she was a lot smarter than what she showed. So, I had to dumb things down to try to explain to her what I was trying to communicate:
herfacechair @herfacechair Aug 31
@BellaVendetta I was pointing out that 13 years ago isn't old school with the reference to a Roman infantry command for a wedge formation.
herfacechair @herfacechair Aug 31
@BellaVendetta I got a chuckle with the "13 years ago" reference. :D
Excessive pride showed with her reply:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta Sep 2
@herfacechair actually the suspension community is so new that 13 years ago IS actually a long time we're one of the world's oldest
I knew flat out that this wasn't true. I first read about the BDSM world back in the 1980s. I knew that the suspension community existed in the fetish world back then. It more than likely existed well before my time.
It was one of the ways to live out a fantasy of being in a "dungeon" and being subjected to "torture". Included in this "torture" was humiliation and exposure to pain. Think "Medieval Period" or the "Spanish Inquisition":
herfacechair @herfacechair Sep 2
@BellaVendetta I've read about suspensions back in the '80s for both BDSM and vanilla. This included group and pairs.
Common usage for a dominatrix's "play space" is called a "dungeon." What all exist in this "dungeon"? Why, many of the things that existed in more vicious forms during the Medieval Period.
They had various forms of "suspensions" that they subjected torture victims to back in those days. In the safe "play environment" of BDSM, many of these suspensions exist.
One main reason to why it wasn't widely known until relatively recently is because technology made it easier for people to do both... meet others of the same interest... and preserve their privacy while seeking out information about this activity's existence in the community.
BellaVendetta and her cohorts did not invent suspension as a BDSM or vanilla community activity. They were simply at the right place, at the right time, to help bring light to the specific fetish activity... and to actively use new technologies to bring people of this community together... and to grow and expand the community.
Others were involved with this as well. From there, it evolved in North America and elsewhere.
Was she going to recognize the fact that there was a history behind this specific fetish? Or that the community existed before her time? Nope. Her abundant pride influenced her next response:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta Sep 2
@herfacechair are you really trying to school Me about something that I live everyday? please dont the conversation is over
This was an attempt to "shut me up." Unfortunately for her, I didn't follow her idea of a dominatrix versus submissive relationship. She's a professional dominatrix. Outside of a professional session, to include coordinating to have such a session happen, I was under no obligation to behave as her submissive.
Also, the only way that she was going to get me to not reply to her anymore, or for me to be quiet, was for her to not reply to me at all. All she had to do was ignore me and not even reply to me.
Given the tone of her voice toward me in this thread, I was not going to do what she demanded. I sensed an overabundance of pride on her part. She still refused to acknowledge the point I was getting across, so I had to give her a perspective:
herfacechair @herfacechair Sep 3
@BellaVendetta As a veteran of a modern war, I welcomed knowledge from a Roman soldier reenactor. Moral of the story?
herfacechair @herfacechair Sep 3
@BellaVendetta Moral of the story? Your experience doesn't negate what I've read about the topic of your experience back in the '80s.
One point that I was getting across here is that I was willing to listen to a Soldier, who had no deployment or actual active duty time under his belt, go over the different commands and procedures that ancient Roman armies went through.
The moral of the story is that we do not know everything.
Just as a modern Soldier is going to have experience doing battle drills, these modern soldiers are not always going to have experience, and possibly have no knowledge, of the commands and procedures used by generations of military before the existence of the US military.
Likewise, a modern dominatrix would be unwise to insinuate that she invented, was one of the people/groups that invented, or knows everything there is to know, about a topic that came into existence centuries, possibly millennia, before her existence... Or that she had created, alone, or as part of a group, etc, such a community.
By then, her pride was 100% in control of her actions:
BellaVendetta @BellaVendetta 22h
@herfacechair moral of the story when someone tells you a conversation is over fucking drop it
Again, she was trying to "force" an action that require me to do something I had no intention of doing.
If she truly wanted this to end, she could've simply ignored me and not said anything else. If she wanted to say something, she could've simply said, "This conversation is over." She would've said that as a stand-alone statement in response to me. She would not have said anything else with it.
One simply cannot just reply and rebut somebody, then try to "preserve" the last word for themselves by demanding that the other person stop replying.
It doesn't work that way.
When it comes to debates, I follow my own rules. One of those rules is to keep replying to someone that consistently replies to me. The only way to stop me from replying to them is for them to not reply to me.
I reminded her of her responsibilities:
herfacechair @herfacechair 17m
@BellaVendetta Nobody is forcing you to respond to me. I also don't take orders from you. Be an adult and control your own fucking actions.
