Obamabots Think That Revised History is Actual History

These posts aren't based on a thread that I participated on. I came across these responses while reading a Politico article about China's declared air defense zone. Instead of posting there, I've posted my replies here.

It's blatantly obvious that those that slammed Ronald Reagan weren't alive... or were too young... to be aware of what was going on during the 1980s.

I started following the news, as a news junkie, since 1982. I sided with Ronald Reagan when I saw what he was doing. I followed events all around the world. There's a lot more to what happened during the '80s than what kids are learning today.

These Obama zombies are ignorant to a key trend. Every democrat president, starting with President John F. Kennedy, has been incompetent when it came to foreign policy.

President Ronald Reagan Won the Cold War-Delver Rootnose is Wrong

delver rootnose: like I said revisionist history. Economics took down the USSR. That and WAR. The money they spent on Afghanistan and trying to outspend the US military is what crushed the USSR.

And Ronald Reagan was behind all of that.

Ronald Reagan spent decades of his life, prior to becoming president, combating communism through words. This started when he was in Hollywood. He took actions countering their agenda in that community.

He understood that economy wise, the communist system couldn't uphold in the real world.

Simply put, a command economy... the type that liberals/progressives in the US want... is one of the most inefficient forms of economy that you could have. Even the Soviets back-peddled a bit from pure communism; they implemented a little "free market" here and there just to uphold their system.

Starting in the 1960s, the Soviet Union beefed up their military. By the early 1980s, they surpassed us militarily. This happened at a high cost for them though. The Soviet economy was at full capacity supporting this arms buildup, as well as the arms race.

Ronald Reagan knew that if he forced the Soviets to race harder, their economy would collapse. So he built our military up. He didn't need to go as far as the Soviets did; all he had to do was "flex" the U.S.'s muscles.

He also pursued the Strategic Defense Initiative, nicked named "Star Wars." He knew that the Soviets would knowingly race a losing race to try to offset that... thus causing them to drain more money from their economy.

Ronald Reagan also remembered the support that the Soviets gave our enemies earlier during the Cold War. One specific event was in Vietnam. So, when the Soviets tried to set themselves up for an "honorable retreat" from Afghanistan, Ronald Reagan saw an opportunity for revenge.

This was a chance to not only get revenge, but to put even more pressure on the Soviet economy.

He sent money and supplies to the Pakistani version of the CIA. The orders? Aid and assist the local Afghani. Thanks to that assistance, Ronald Reagan was able to put more pressure on the Soviet Economy.

He didn't stop there either. He started many initiatives that he knew that the United States could accomplish... but the Soviets couldn't.

Ronald Reagan, working with the British and the Vatican, worked to weaken the Soviet Union.

The selection of Mikhail Gorbachev was an attempt to fix a system that wasn't repairable. At any rate, the Soviet Union got weaker BECAUSE of, and not despite of, Ronald Reagan's policies.

I remember this clearly, as I started to follow the news back in the early '80s.

Ronald Reagan was KEY to the downfall of the Soviet Union.

delver rootnose: We are going the way of the USSR because of our security state spending and meddling in other countries affairs.

We're going by the way of the USSR in that the Democrats are succeeding in getting many of their policies implemented. This goes back to the beginning of Ronald Reagan's crusade against the communists.

Back in the 1930s, the Soviets began an information and society adjustment campaign in this country. They linked up with communists, and communist sympathizers in the US, and gave them money and advice.

What was their plan?

Infiltrate America's opinion leading institutions. This included school faculty, Hollywood, government, etc. They failed to make inroads into the Republican Party. They succeeded very well infiltrating the Democratic Party.

Result? The Democrat Party continues to shift to the left. It has gotten to the point that the Communist Party of the USA tends to endorse Democratic presidential candidates.

Our move to implement more progressive policies brings us closer to socialism.

Our presence in other countries is necessary. Want a stable US economy? That heavily depends on how well we could guarantee that our economy can get the resources it needs. Those resources are extracted from the ground, processed, transported over large bodies of water, then imported into the United States.

If we're not able to secure those sources, and transportation routes, you could kiss your standard of living goodbye.

The United States isn't the only country in the world that's leveraging its military. It's not the only one leveraging its other influences to ensure economic prosperity. Having political stability in other parts of the world plays a key role in all of this.

If we weren't doing what we're doing now, another country would step in and do it.

Advance to the 21st Century. Look at Detroit, Michigan. This is what'll happen to the United States if the Democrats have their way.

delver rootnose: The only reason we haven't failed is we have a better credit rating and our creditors are the Chinese, the Saudis and the American people. And guess who the GOP would rather pay off first in the default fight. It isn't the US citizens.

The main reason we haven't failed yet is that the GOP is preventing the Democrats from passing policies that'll guarantee failure. The Chinese are one group of creditors. Others include Japan, the UK, and other countries, as well as the US citizens.

The US government is going to honor maturing accounts according to the rules affecting those accounts. It doesn't matter if you're a foreign investor or a US investor.

The GOP is big on helping the US citizens... that's precisely why they voted against the Affordable Care Act. That's why they tried to defund it. That's why they continue to stand in the way of other Democrat destructive policies.

Gumpchun is Blind to the Fact that Every Democrat President Since the '60s Was Incompetent With Foreign Policy

Gumpchun: Yeah, we all recall how tough Ronald Reagan was in the minds of aging white rednecks.

Chances are real strong that they were old enough to know what was going on, in the world, during Reagan's presidency. If that doesn't describe you, then you're trying to argue against first hand experiences. You're doing so with your own second or third hand information.

Gumpchun: The reality was that Reagan sent the Marines into Lebanon and got 300 of them killed, then packed up and left with his tail between his legs.

Get your history straight.

After that attack, both the US and France launched retaliatory air strikes. The US struck from the air and from sea. Since Iran was behind the attacks, the US increased intelligence support to Iraq, which was fighting Iran at the time. The culmination of that was Operation Preying Mantis, which destroyed Iran's upper hand during their war with Iraq. This led to the end of that war.

We didn't need to stay in Lebanon. There was no real need for us to remain there.

Gumpchun: Then Reagan paid off Iran with armaments so he could fund his war against poor South America civilians.

It looks like you need to get your geography straight as well.

The Contras were fighting a Soviet/Cuban backed government in Central America. This represented an extended Soviet influence... in our own back yard. This is something that we had to turn around. The Democrat Congress, always bent on policies that harm the US, stopped funding the Contras.

Ronald Reagan had to continue to deal with the communist threat in Central America. Had we failed to support the Contras, more countries would've turned towards communism. Back then, the economic situation in Latin America favored the creation of one communist state after another.

This would've given the Soviet Union a strategic advantage relative to us... in our own backyard.

Seeing the bigger picture, his administration worked a deal to where the US would back supply the Israelis... who'd supply the Iranians with weapons they were already using. In return, the US got paid for the weapons that the Israelis provided to the Iranians.

They also attempted to release American hostages in Lebanon during this period. 

Thanks to our continuing to support the Contras, Central America is enjoying democracy in place of dictatorship. It's now a popular retirement and tourist destination.

Our failure to do that would've meant instability in our own backyard till this day. Undocumented immigration to the U.S. would've been a lot higher today to.

Gumpchun: Reagan talked big and ran when he hit real resistance.

Wrong. I followed Reagan in the news. The liberal media was harder on him, back then, than they were on President Bush early this century.

Ronald Reagan went against all sorts of resistance, but he persevered. He stood up to the challenge... as opposed to "Caligula", who, through indecisiveness and lack of leadership, is emboldening our enemies today.

Gumpchun: Obama killed Bin Laden and deposed Gaddafy, both now silent from the grave.

I'm sorry, but the SEALs killed Bin Laden, Obama didn't kill Bin Laden. He most certainly didn't depose Kaddafi. Oblablahblah took a backseat to the Libyan operation. It was the rebels on the ground that deposed of Kaddafi, with the help of our NATO allies.

And get this, we wouldn't have been able to track down Osama Bin Laden had it not been for policies that President Bush contributed to putting in place. Obama happened to be the lucky guy who was at the right place at the right time.

Gumpchun: Dems are smart AND tough, something aging toothless goobers and chickenhawks on the right have such a bad record on.

History contradicts your assumptions.

Kennedy's failure, to authorize the US Navy to do its part during the Bay of Pigs invasion, turned what would've been a victory into defeat... signaling to Nikita Khrushchev that the US was weak. This encouraged Khrushchev to deploy missiles to Cuba.

In order to get these missiles out, we agreed to close one of our overseas positions. When all was said and done, we were at a weaker posture, relative to the Soviets, than where we were before.

Both Kennedy and Johnson engaged in a "dog chasing tail" strategy in Vietnam. Nixon came in with the intent to win it. Had his plans been carried through all the way to the end, we would've had complete victory during the Vietnam War.

It was the Democratic Congress that pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory. They cut funding to the South Vietnamese government. This guaranteed our losing the Vietnam War politically. We won it militarily, thanks to Nixon.

We lost Iran, as an ally, during Carter's administration. Yes, he could've done something in the run up, but he was too weak to do it... he also gutted the US military, Clinton style.

Speaking of which, Clinton's lack of balls with his foreign policies emboldened Al-Qaeda. When they struck in 9/11, they were expecting more of the same Clinton style response.

The cold hard reality is that most democrat politicians are appeasers and not fighters. As far as being "smart"? They're so clueless about how the real economy works that their policies drag the economy down... and frustrate economic recovery.

Also, most of your so called "Chicken Hawks" happen to be war veterans that disagree with your messiah and you.

Gumpchun: What we need to do with China is immediately send numerous flights and ships into this bogus zone, say it is nothing but a worthless piece of paper, and show China their belligerence won't be tolerated. Stand by.

With a Democrat in the White House? ROTFLMFAO!

You do realize that we've been doing this for decades, do you? We've always had a naval presence in the seas covered by China's declared air defense zone.

Our sending those two planes to the Senkaku Islands was an extension of that policy. This wasn't an example of Democrats flexing their muscles. Oh, and get this... our government has temporarily agreed to back off demanding that China undo that air defense zone.